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MrZero
10-05-11, 21:00
I am beginner here and like your help for
progress of my projects...

This my first creation...

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/130/c/a/k_model___by_shadowhibari-d3g1o4d.png

Meptrep
10-05-11, 21:09
It just looks like a recolor. Right?

MrZero
10-05-11, 21:13
Not...

The head is my...

Meptrep
10-05-11, 21:16
The head is your what? I mean it looks ok, I guess. All i can tell is that there's a different hair style.

MrZero
10-05-11, 21:20
This is my inspiration...
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/129/6/1/k__mmzx_style_by_shadowhibari-d3g03sy.png
"I try make one char,and put the
kakashi head in Vent body and work,
work,work and puff... I created this..."

Can understand now?

NeoMan
10-05-11, 21:28
I take it you don't speak good english?

Try making the body look less like Vent.

MrZero
10-05-11, 21:32
o.o... sorry for the bad english...

Is hard to make... can give a ideia?

NeoMan
10-05-11, 21:33
Sure. Maybe make a different shirt to start. Small steps, do not worry.

Xearez
10-05-11, 21:52
first, im gonna say that the hair needs to be bigger if its gonna be kakashi, next im gonna say that the shirt and pans look just like a recolor of vents shirt and pants. also, just wait until lern gets here -_-; better work fast.

MrZero
10-05-11, 22:02
Is this?
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/130/c/0/k_upgrade___by_shadowhibari-d3g1u2p.png
He is not kakashi,Kakashi just give a idea for the char...

NeoMan
10-05-11, 23:44
Much better. Now change the legs.

MrZero
11-05-11, 00:08
The legs is very hard...
I need created of nothing...
Give me a ideia or just a good recolor

NeoMan
11-05-11, 00:32
Try giving him the legs of one of the bad megamen from ZX advent.

MrZero
11-05-11, 02:59
I try and is this...
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/130/5/7/k_upgrade___by_shadowhibari-d3g1u2p.png
I don't like,the normal legs is good for me...

Cobalt
11-05-11, 03:23
The problem with the first one is that it's obvious it's a recolor of Vent's pants. Actually, the whole sprite except the hair is a recolor, sooo yeah. That black outline next to the hair's highlight looks really bad.

Also, what is your original language?

MrZero
11-05-11, 03:36
I am Brazilian...(Portuguese right...?)

The black part is of the mask...(yeah,thats is a mask...xP)

Cobalt
11-05-11, 03:43
Aah, ótima coincidência!

Eu na verdade estava falando da linha preta, na ponta do cabelo dele. Falando na máscara, eu só notei agora que você mencionou. Talvez seja uma boa ideia deixa-la mais visível.

MrZero
11-05-11, 03:46
lol existe Br aqui...

Difícil... Teria que deixa-la mais clara,prefiro ela assim mesmo...

Outra sugestão?
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lol ... here exists Br

Difficult ... Would leaving it clearer, I prefer it anyway ...

Another suggestion?
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Edit:I try more things,see:
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/131/2/e/k_upgrade___by_shadowhibari-d3g1u2p.png

MrZero
11-05-11, 22:17
The pants and shoes is very hard,I like the original...

I try the hair,is good?http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/131/c/b/k_upgrade___by_shadowhibari-d3g1u2p.png

NeoMan
11-05-11, 22:55
Getting better. Try more contrast between the shades of color.

MrZero
12-05-11, 03:58
More work...and now?
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/131/4/c/k_upgrade___by_shadowhibari-d3g1u2p.png

Lern
12-05-11, 07:33
Still seems like a Vent recolor with a kakashi headswap and some edits to the chest.

Why am I the only one awfully bugged by the blue zero+headswap about this?

Zero20XD6
12-05-11, 11:16
Honestly the main problem here is your lack of direction. The only thin you knew you wanted to do was to make Somethig similar to Kekashi's head after that you were clueless as to what you wanted to do. If you want to make it less like generic recolor vent with some pretty minor edits. You need to give him an entirely new shirt, pants and at least design on the shoes cause unless whatever your fancharacter does involves him being in the guardians he shouldn't dress like that. And even of he does that'd be a nit of a cop out spiriting wise. As for what to add personally I think you should figure it out on your own since it is your character and you yourself should likethe design he most

MrZero
12-05-11, 20:14
Whoa...o.o

Relax ... This is my first char,I am beginner...
I like his for now...

Next step...colors test
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/132/4/d/k_colors_by_shadowhibari-d3g6knc.png
I just recolor the details,I like this clothes green...
Help me again if you like...

mr.matrix
12-05-11, 22:16
Well purple & green always look good but I really like the dark red. also a tip about the pants you see the dark gray lines that form the pockets I would like to suggest that you remove them and maybe slim the pants down that would make the look less like cargo pants & less like Vent, changing the pants colors would also help out too.

[fish in space]
12-05-11, 22:17
Whoa...o.o

Relax ... This is my first char,I am beginner...
I like his for now...

haha, no. it doesn't work that way. zero20xd6 was the first person in this thread to give you really helpful critique and you just brushed him off because it was too hard. if you actually want to improve as an artist, you should listen to what he said. design your character based on what he should look like, not based on what you are editing him from. otherwise your sprites will look lazy and uninspired.

BarylTDF
13-05-11, 02:10
First of all the outline of the pants is messed up, unless the pants are completely green it shouldn't have a different outline color. As for the rest of the body, You should use the standard grey color of the ZX characters for the skin. Of course, not for the face.

and make his hair longer.

Zero20XD6
13-05-11, 03:35
That was a result of him carelessly recoloring I'm guessing. Anyways as for the sprites let me ask you a few things about it. What was your original intent with this sprite? Does he have a name? A certain look you wanted to strive for? Anything really that would strive to make him more than a simple Vent recolor with some editing done on the head

MrZero
13-05-11, 15:34
This is hard...
I really are trying guys,I just can't do all you like
Yeah,I have plans for my char,name,model,and life and other things...

I like the guardians,I don't like make the clothes very diferent of the
originals for this...

Well... Let's continue the hard work...

I trying(really trying) and for now is this:
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/133/7/5/k_colors_by_shadowhibari-d3g6knc.png

If need more... try see what I really like to have in my char...and if I can make

NeoMan
13-05-11, 15:37
I like the blue one.

Also, why is there a blue/white/green/red pixel on his ear?

MrZero
13-05-11, 15:40
I make one thing after,comunicator,piercing or other thing...
I like this pixel..xP

NeoMan
13-05-11, 16:09
Can I say something about the ears?

In the MegaMan ZX games, everyone has robot ears. Look at the mugshots.

BarylTDF
13-05-11, 16:26
I really are trying guys,I just can't do all you like

Yeah,I have plans for my char,name,model,and life and other things...

If need more... try see what I really like to have in my char...and if I can make

We're just giving you suggestions of what you can do to improve this sprite's quality, if you listen or not that's your decision.
Questions such as why you're making this sprite are useless, you can make whatever you want because you want to.

MrZero
13-05-11, 21:21
But I don't like in humans, robot ears...
If are bad,can help, in human ears?

NeoMan
14-05-11, 01:36
Wait. I'm trying to understand.

You don't like the robot ears on humans?

It doesn't matter if he has human or robot ears, I was just stating an observation. If you want human ears, that is okay.

MrZero
14-05-11, 20:01
Next step...
I try make him walk...
See...
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/134/0/f/k_sheet_1_by_shadowhibari-d3gby69.png

Help me if you like... o.o/

Lern
14-05-11, 20:22
Please dont continue it until you've finished the starting design. And if this is the starting design then all this is is a recolor with some minor edits and a headswap.

ProboPingas
14-05-11, 20:29
That's totally gonna help him improve, Lern.

MrZero
14-05-11, 20:36
I like to continue,but I need help(and much)...
"Is wrong,is bad, and other things", don't help...
I like to continue and go for the next step...
If you don't like,try help,make alone is hard...

NeoMan
14-05-11, 20:41
His pants a little puffy at the ankles. Try to slim them down.

Does that help?

MrZero
14-05-11, 20:46
Neoman you are a good teacher... ^^

I can try again ,good luck for me...-.-/

MrZero
14-05-11, 21:13
I try and is that:
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/134/b/e/k_sheet_1_by_shadowhibari-d3gby69.png

Is this or need more work?

NeoMan
14-05-11, 21:30
Better. They are a little wrong on some frames. The 4th walking frame has the leg on our left oddly shaped. It is a bit too thin.

MrZero
14-05-11, 21:40
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/134/3/3/k_sheet_1_by_shadowhibari-d3gby69.png
Is hard... and now?

[fish in space]
14-05-11, 22:09
you turned his legs into noodles, his pants have a completely unnecessary colour in them, the outlines are poorly done and inconsistent, and the design is still a simple edit.

NeoMan
14-05-11, 22:22
Well, they are not noodles. They are still thicker than Grey's from ZXA. With a little editing here and there it should turn out alright.

MrZero
14-05-11, 22:26
I try and try and try again...
I don't know more...
Whta I gonna do?
I like one thing is bad,I work... and is bad,work more... continue bad...
Is much hard,I like to make my first char, and after some time try remake him...
Critiques are good,but only critiques is hard
You like to critique?
I need help,critique and give me help or I just go ignore you..

Thank you Neoman...you really help ...

MrZero
14-05-11, 22:27
Edit:I prefer stop this char,finish him and try make
another new, after him..

Thanks for the aid...

See you soon...

NeoMan
15-05-11, 00:46
If I may make a suggestion. Try 8 bit style first. It will help you understand shape. I have a human base sprite in my pd thread to get you started. The link in my signature. 8 bit realy helped me.

[fish in space]
15-05-11, 04:18
when i said noodles i meant they curve rather than bending at a joint. and it doesn't matter how many times you "try". art is not a thing you can just win at, you just have to work at it until it looks good and learn from what you did.

MrZero
08-06-11, 22:10
After some time,I return with some "things"...
K basic sheet:
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/138/7/6/k_sheet_by_shadowhibari-d3gd0r8.png
K 8 bit:
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/145/d/d/k_8_bit_by_shadowhibari-d3ggdze.png
And one of my ideas(I'm working in this,please wait a finish):
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/157/d/4/new_k_rings_by_shadowhibari-d3i9bzp.png

I like the K clothes and I'll leave it at that...
If I make more things,I post again...

NeoMan
08-06-11, 22:24
I like the idea for the speed model. However, they just look like basic megaman boots. Try adding to thier design a little.

And the 8bit sprites are great but inconsistant. He is missing his white fingers on many frames. And his mouth mask is messed up on his last running frame. Fix those and you're golden.

MrZero
08-06-11, 22:54
Ok I try...
-Edit-:I tried and did new poses...
K 8 bit style:
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/159/7/c/k_8_bit_by_shadowhibari-d3ggdze.png
I asked before,Sovietcommando gave me permission...
Phanteon ZX original made by him
I edited and did a new version...
Phanteon ZX MKII:
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/159/f/b/phanteon_zx_mkii_by_shadowhibari-d3iewyb.png

Lern
09-06-11, 06:28
All you did to SC's sprite was remove the cool unique arm cannon pantheons had and gave him a boring generic Megabuster MK [enternumberhere]

NeoMan
09-06-11, 12:59
He edited the vest abit too and gave it new boots, lern. Ummm... The pantheon's new buster needs reshaded. It is too dark.

Minor mistake on K 8bit. He is still missing white fingers on one hand in his first running frame.

Ryo Hazaki
09-06-11, 16:49
He also edited the helmet slightly.

Lern
09-06-11, 18:05
Fair enough, but for my defense- If I couldn't see it just like that, and the boots aren't new, they've just got caps- Then it really isn't a lot, not even enough.

NeoMan
09-06-11, 18:45
In HIS defence, theres not much you can do to pantheon gunner and still make it recognizable as a pantheon gunner. You need to understand that he's still pretty new at this. He's not going to make god quality sprites right off the bat. He's still practicing and what he has shown so far proves that MrZero will continue to make progress. Instead of commenting on how to fix what he added/changed, you complain that it is not changed enough! Where is the sense in that? That won't help him improve at all. I think it's great that he tries. As a forum member, it is our job to help others improve, not complain that not enough details were changed.

Ryo Hazaki
09-06-11, 19:42
^ I am Ryo Hazaki and I approve this message.

Lern
09-06-11, 19:53
to counter your argument neo, where is the sense in telling him changing 2-3 details creates a brand new and good sprite :P

NeoMan
09-06-11, 21:55
I never said they were good or brand new. I said that it is a start. As far as the sprite goes, it is a good foundation, wich can be improved upon over time. Houses don't come pre-built, lern.

MrZero
10-06-11, 03:04
Thanks for all,Neoman Teacher...o.o/
I tried and see:
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/160/7/e/k_8_bit_by_shadowhibari-d3ggdze.png

What is the next step now?

...and the phanteon,I can try other thing,is just a idea for something new...

NeoMan
10-06-11, 14:18
Much better. I see no major flaws. Good job!