Hey? Why Can't There Be a...?

[DragonZero]

Why is it that fan character sprites won't be accepted? Can't there be a fan sprite section on Sprites Inc? It would probably attract more people anyway. The sprites would be only MegaMan style, and it could be sort of like DeviantArt, only for sprites, and what series they would fit under.



PS: Anyway, I hope I don't get a warning for this or anything. I don't think this's against any kind of rule. I was just throwing it out there.

[Enigma]

I was thinking that too, I mean, most people out there are looking for an original sprite for their comic or whatever and they look around. Now, here there are some good fan sprites and some bad ones, but I say, let Sprites inc be the first page to make a Megaman Fan character section with more than 50 fan characters.

PS: Sonic The Comic Online Sprite Page already has about 120

[DragonZero]

The way I see it, we'd have to get the members to sign a petition, or something.

[Enigma]

okay....you get the paper...I'll get the cookies and the mind-controllerr!

[DragonZero]

So... How many signatures are we gonna need?

[Enigma]

about...200, maybe less 120.

[kingofanime]

But, if fan-characters aren't accepted, how did grenademan get accepted? Unless he's a character from like the shows or comics, I've never seen him elsewhere. don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to complain, I loved the sprite and it deserves to be PDed, I'm just a bit confused at this point...

[Enigma]

because it was canon, we're talking about non-canon "fan" charaters..."FAN!"..sorry, it's just I just woke up in a bad mood...sorry KoA...really sorry.

[dualR]

KoA - Grenademan is from Megaman 8 (PSX)

[Enigma]

MM8 never got much....attention as other MM games, Megaman and Bass was way more popular for some odd reason.....

[Magnus]

i know the odd reason. YOU COULD PLAY AS FORTE(Bass)

[kingofanime]

Wow, Inu, I accept your apology...But I hadn't played much of MM8, so I never saw grenadeMan, only beat clownMan before I had to return it...
speaking of which, I gotta get to worl on my ClownManEXE sprite!
And thanks for clearing up that whole cannon thing. I always thought canon characters where ones with busters...so yeah, I was quite confused...

[Rainbow Dash]

I always thought canon characters where ones with busters...

That's where the guy with the drums comes in and goes *Ba dump ch!* And then somebody throws tomatoes at me. Good times.

...Wow, I had something relevant to say when I started writing this. Oh well.

[Enigma]

Canon characters........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA KoA my bad mood is suddenly gone....well back to the topic, playing as forte isn't all that cool...wait this isn't the topic.

Okay, now back to the topic. I think we just got outrselves our first 4 signatures.

[kingofanime]

Lolz! i'm gonna put this in my sig now! But seriously, um... Ok.

[Enigma]

Kingofanime
DragonZero
InuDemon32
MetoolX597

[Steveman]

Sprites Inc is a collection of Official release Megaman sprites and/or Fan Created sprites of Official Megaman characters, sprites that are free for anyone to use for their own non profit purposes without the need for credit or permission.

If Sprites Inc. started hosting Fancharacters they all would have to be Public Domain and would be held to the strictest of quality requirements, and simply put most sprites made by fans are not good enough, either in quality (All sprites would ahve to look as good if not better than Capcom's sprites of the same bittage and style) or functionality (be fully animatable).

If you want to host your sprites for public use, get an Photobucket account and make a "My Public Domain Creations" Thread.

[Enigma]

.......and here I am getting all excited about this whole idea...and a guy with a crazy Aeris Avatar makes sense...I feel like crying and/or hurting someone....

[kingofanime]

I like his avatar, I just don't understand the please buy flowers quote.. Anyway, what he says is true. Not many people can sprite as well as Capcom's paid spriters. Seeing anyon'es spritework up there would make everyone go "Oh Noes! I'm not good as him!"

Then they'd feel bad and give up forever on spriting, then jump in a hole, then die in said hole, then their body rots after they died in said hole, then they cease to exist after falling, dying, and rotting in said hole.

So remember kids, putting fan-character sprites on Sprites-Inc causes people to cease to live.

The End.

[Steveman]

I did not mean it like that, but to a degree, King of Anime's sentament is true, since only spriters like Zan Sidera/Zantetsu, Blackbeltdude, Delta and Robert Oakes are close enough to professional quality sprites, and Porfessional Quality is all that should be up on Sprites Inc in my opinion. I've seen the work they all do, and can attest from personal expiernece it can kill someone's morale making said spriter think that they would never be that good.

As for my Avatar. Its not Aerith per say, its one of my Fancharacters, "Trixie" cosplaying as Aerith. The hair color and lack of minor hair details, and white arm and leg should make that apparent... and Aerith is selling flowers at the beginning of FF7.

[garethfurbank]

If you wanna do something like this, PM ACE or something, with a well laid out argument. I support the idea, but still - regardless of how many people want it, ACE can always over-rule.

[DragonZero]

That's true, I guess. I also agree with what LoN was saying. However, I also think that as long as we post a notice, or something on our "Sprite Accounts", or whatever the technical term is, saying these aren't fully custom...

Like so:

DragonZero's Sprites---> MMBN Sprites---> DragoMan [Super-Good Frankenstein]

A bit more in that layout, if you know what I mean.

[Cutman EXE]

Besides, I wouldn't want to wait for all the bullshit to load whilst trying to get to the GOOD PD sprites.

And if there was a "Fan Char" section, people would start stealing good sprites.

And Dragoman is NOT "Super-Good".

[DragonZero]

Well, you know what I mean. Like what sprite category the sheet would go under. Determined by BBD, of course.

[garethfurbank]

He's super-good compared to half the stuff that gets put up here... Anyway, categorising would work maybe, I can see what you mean.

[Cutman EXE]

Categorizing would never stop sprite thieves. It just makes it easier to find what they want.

And no, he isn't, you must not have looked at many sprite threads yet.

[DragonZero]

You'd have like...

DragonZero's Sprites *Clicky!* Classic, X, BN, Z, L, ZX, ZN *Clicky Wunna Those!* DragoMan [Category: Decent Frankenstein].

And if they're PD, the Sprite thieves would just take 'em anyway. You'd probably have to agree to some kind of long, convoluted, political paper, saying: "These sprites will be displayed, and it is not our responsibility if they are stolen.", or something along those lines.

[garethfurbank]

Minor spelling mistake, my bad. Also, yes I've seen plenty of the sprites up here, but this isn't the place to whine about stuff. You can never stop sprite thieves entirely, if you don't want the risk of having your stuff stolen don't upload it - simple as that.

[DragonZero]

THANK YOU. And besides, they'd be PD anyway. Isn't that pretty much "Steal Me (But give Credit)"?

[Steveman]

PD, Public domain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Domain

Technically when you declare a creative work (such as sprites in this case) Public Domain, you sacrifice all claim of ownership. You cannot require Credit, nor can you place stipulations on how it is used. This does not prevent most spriters and whatnot from being decent people and crediting the original creators.

[DragonZero]

Oh. So then it's impossible to steal PD Sprites, because "PD" essentially means "Steal Me! Take Me! Use Me!"?

[Steveman]

Close but still wrong, there is no stealing when its PD works, its more like; "Use me, I cannot belong to anyone, using me is not stealing!"

[DragonZero]

Woah. That's a bit profound...... So, really CutMan, you haven't got anything to be afraid of!

[HZ]

count me in

[Enigma]

PD means that? *eye twitch*

[DragonZero]

Yeah, I guess... I didn't know what I was signing up for when I posted those! Oh, well. I'm still gonna do that... Petition... Thing. How does one get a paper like that, anyway?

[Cutman EXE]

Yes there is quite a bit. PD won't stop sprite thieves from CLAIMING IT AS THEIR OWN WORK, WHICH IS AGAINST THE RULES OF PD.

Phail'd.

[DragonZero]

So what? There are ALWAYS going to be some people who do that. It doesn't really bother me very much.

[garethfurbank]

DragonZero's right - there will always be the odd bastard who claims stuff is his own, and there's no way to protect against that, at all. You can only hope someone recognises it as another spriters work and deals with it.

[kingofanime]

Like in my case where I massively post all my sprites. People can instantly look at a sheet and go, "It's KoA's..."

[DragonZero]

Exactly. There IS no way to 100% stop sprite thieves, and even if someone DOES steal your sprites, it's not like they're gone. You would keep the file, or the link, or a backup SOMEWHERE.

[Steveman]

You guys do realize that this "petition" you are trying to create is exceedingly rude and might just cause a negative backlash. Sprite Inc. is not a republic or democracy, there is nothing saying ACE has to add a Fancharacters section to his website if he does not want to, even if your petition gets 100 signuratures.

I have an alternate idea that is good for all, instead of trying to force ACE into adding something to his website he obviously does not want to add, why not get a Geocities or other free host and set up your own website for hosting Public Domain characters and see if ACE'd allow it to be affiliated with Sprites Inc. That was you all get what you want and you are not trying to impose your will on Ace.

[DragonZero]

Well, I was hoping that we could create a new page to Inc. without Ace's help, therefore not overworking him. Also, I didn't mean "petition" in the political way you seem to view it. I meant it to be more like: "Hey, Ace! Since so many people seem to want this, why not give it to them?" as opposed to political petitions that seem to say: "This is what the people want. Do it." Now I know you're probably thinking. "Um... ISN'T THAT THE SAME THING?", but my way is a bit more polite, and leniant, as I was intending to give Ace a chance to say "No.", as well as, even if he agreed, a very wide time limit, or even the possibility of the "petition" signers creating the section them/ourselves. Not only that, but BlackBeltDude would probably judge wether or not your sprite submission would be allowed into Inc. at all.

[kingofanime]

I belive there's a high chance of this topic getting locked. But Lord's idea is probably the most reasonable. Have someone host Fan-sprites from their own site and get it affiliated with Inc.

[DragonZero]

I meant this to be more of a suggestion, not imposing my will on Ace. I mean really, I can ask all I want, but he's the admin. I can't really force HIM do ANYTHING...... Except if I said "Breathe."...... That'd be kinda funny, actually...

[Steveman]

Regardless of the intended feel of the petition, it will come accross as "This is what the people wan't, you will anger them if you do not give it to them."

[DragonZero]

Not if I post differently. I mean, if I specifically post: "Note: this was meant to be a suggestion for an addition to the site that many people agree with. Not an excuse to piss you off. You, as the admin, do not have to agree under any circumstances... Ect., ect.", or something along those lines, I'm pretty sure he'll understand...... Unless it's a Monday.

[garethfurbank]

it's a "don't you think this would be a good idea?" not a "please please please do this! If not i will come and get you!"

The best bet is still without a doubt getting your own site affiliated, however there's no rule against making suggestions to ACE.

[DragonZero]

Yeah...... Hey- What- Can you, like... READ MY MIND Gareth? Or just understand me really well?

[kingofanime]

Still, maybe a PM woulda gotten the point across just as easily...

[DragonZero]

Well, I figured if I PM'ed it would be just another request from some n00b, but if I made a thread, everyone who supported the idea could express that, and show Ace that it's not like: "ZOMG! J00 n33dz t0 r1p t3h Mm L3g3ntz!1!".

[Steveman]

I personally think a Fancharacter page on the Sprite Inc Server is a good Idea, I also beleive (thought I could be wrong, but evidence points to me being right) that ACE would not think its a good idea, else there would be one already. Sprites Inc has been arround for years, wouldn't it be safe to assume that this idea has been brought up time and time again? I do, else there would not be a rule specifcially banning Fancharacters from the hosting.

[garethfurbank]

Firstly, we just think the same Dragon, or maybe I can read your mind...

Maybe you should just PM and explain the predicament this thread has created, no idea how ACE will react, chances are this'll get locked and he will give you a no and a lecture, but we can never be sure.

[Plaz]

Why don't you four (is it five now?) start your own site? It would be a lot easier than convincing ACE. Mabye he dosen't WANT fan characters on his site. If that's the case, there's nothing you can do about it, petition or not.

[Pinkie Pie]

It's simple. No fan characters on Sprites INC.

Sorry, they're just not useful, especially since the only submissions i'd end up getting would be "ZOMG LOOK TIS MEGAZERODARKCOOL!" splices of X, Zero, Roll, and the sort.

Then theres also copyright issues. How would I know whether that it was your character, and not someone elses?


Please remember, INC is a resource site, not a gallery.

I have considered putting up a gallery, but there would be a negative reaction - since INC is an well known site, theres no doubt anything posted in that gallery would just get nicked.


It'd cause more harm than good to allow fan characters on the site, because people will, quite frankly, get really pissy over someone using their character. The only thing i'd consider is un-named minor characters, enemies, and at a push, bosses, etc. Something that'd be useful.

Guys, it was a push me accepting non-Megaman characters in the Megaman style for the PD section. Fan Characters have about as much chance as Satan skating to work.

EDIT: This topic is being moved to Sprites INC Discussion.

[Blackbeltdude]

Geez, go to the beach for a day, and this is what happens. :P

ACE's post is the only one you really need to read, becasue he's the one who's paying for the site, and programming content. That means no Fan sprites.

Like he just said, Sprites Inc isn't a gallery, and I feel like fan characters would just make it feel like we put up useless stuff.

Really, the cool fan characters you see people make from scratch won't be there. You won't ever see characters like Kieran, Cronos, or Delta there, because their owners don't want to see their sprites recolored and in bad sprite comics.

Not to mention I can see people being a pain in the butt about this with the spriters.

"Wow, he's cool! You should submitt him to the fan character section at Sprite Inc!"

"I don't wanna see him in a crappy comic."

"Aww! Come, please! I bet he'd get accepted!"

"I don't care."

"Please!"

ect, ect, ect...


Like I said, you won't see the cool characters you want in that section. They will be, as ACE said, rip offs of X and Zero and whom ever else.

And as far as the gallery thing goes, like ACE said, it's a bad idea. TPS has a gallery section, and Ran's sprites are in it. Ran is proof that the sprites would be stolen and someone would say, "I thought they were PD!" And it'd be a very easy mistake to make with a PD section and a rips section. So a gallery won't be happening either.

See, this is why there's forums guys! Post your PD fan characters in your threads! Post your sprites in your threads! There's already a link to the forums on the main page! I don't know what else I can say. :P

And BTW LON, you were thinking of Seven, not Delta. ;)

[DragonZero]

Well, frankly, BlackBeltDude, I totally understand where you're coming from. Yes, they would get nicked, and stolen, and recolored and the rest of it, but I know that if I submitted a character (Like, say, my DragoMan Sheet), I would be pretty pissed off if I found him in some n00b's sprite comic. However, depending on my mood, I probably wouldn't care for too long. Also, concerning the splices, I can understand that unless they were barely recongnizable as their original parts from massive editing and recoloring, they probably wouldn't be accepted into an Inc. gallery anyway (yes, I DO think DragoMan fulfills the above requirements, just barely, or nearly. So I'm proud of him. Big deal.), as I was hoping you'd agree to be the judge of the sprites who got to enter. Maybe we should create a separate page altogether for it, like LoN said, and ask for affiliateship...

[Blackbeltdude]

Well, frankly, BlackBeltDude, I totally understand where you're coming from. Yes, they would get nicked, and stolen, and recolored and the rest of it, but I know that if I submitted a character (Like, say, my DragoMan Sheet), I would be pretty pissed off if I found him in some n00b's sprite comic. However, depending on my mood, I probably wouldn't care for too long. Also, concerning the splices, I can understand that unless they were barely recongnizable as their original parts from massive editing and recoloring, they probably wouldn't be accepted into an Inc. gallery anyway (yes, I DO think DragoMan fulfills the above requirements, just barely, or nearly. So I'm proud of him. Big deal.), as I was hoping you'd agree to be the judge of the sprites who got to enter. Maybe we should create a separate page altogether for it, like LoN said, and ask for affiliateship...

No. :P

I don't know spisifically about ACE's affiliation plocies, but I do know that any other site I'm staff at NEVER accpets a free geocites, freewebs, or angelfire web site. If you get your own domain name, then MAYBE. Keep in mind ACE proabably won't be the one to make it either. If you went off and made your own site for that, then why would I need to even be apart of it anyhow?

Also keep in mind, you're only stating examples of how you'd react if someone used your character, not anyone else's. Go ahead, guess how me or LoN might react if someone used our characters like that... Even then, you just said yourself you'd be upset, and you're the one arguing for it! If you post your sprites and say anyone can use these, you loose your right to complain about how they're being used.

And I think you were missing the point about the X and Zero edits thing. If we were to open up fan characters to Sprites Inc, the odds are VERY good that there would be hardly any scratched sprites, or custom sprites. You would see a lot of submitted characters that abuse sabers, have no moves the spriter made themselves, and pretty common designs. Basically, don't picture seeing a bunch of awesome sprites for something like this... Especally since it's not going to happen. :P


For the record though, your custom character needs work. Like your Zero sprites, his contrast is too low. And, from what I've seen, he doesn't really have anything that makes him his own character, aside from design. His moves are the same moves any other character can do in that series. See, if that fan sprite section were opened up, the guidlines for getting in would be harder, and those that could meet them easily wouldn't submit.

[DragonZero]

I see what you're trying to say: I could picture you, or LoN getting pretty pissed about something like that. Also, I suppose you wouldn't HAVE to be a part of it if you didn't want to. I'm just used to you judging sprites and such, I guess. But
I guess we could get someone else, or judge it ourselves (By "Ourselves", I mean the admins of the gallery). And you're saying we'd have to code a site completely from scratch, with bills, and a domain name, and everything? I actually have a friend who could probably do that, however, his financial situation isn't that great. And, for the record, my Zero EXE sheet (The one modified from Blazer_X's sprite)was made to be a BN5 ally style character, in case I put him in my BN RPG. I could recolor him to have more volume, if you want. Heck, I was gonna anyway.

[Blackbeltdude]

Well, if you're going to do it, then by all means do it. No one is going to stop you here. But don't except a lot of support either... The reason why Sprites Inc isn't doing it is becasue there's a number of problems with it, not because we're lazy or anything. :P

[kingofanime]

Well, I believe that this topic has served its purpose. It started off asking why fan-characters weren't allowed, followed by my confusion of the meaning of canon, followed by excellent arguments everyone made, follwed by this post, and ended by me sitting in my reading chair with a robe and a pipe and a nice big book. :P


But yeah, I'm happy with the PD section. Just knowing I at least got a sprite or two accepted makes me happy, and what makes me happy is that people actually WANT to use my sprites in comics and etc...(Seriously, do you know how many people ask to use DeathVirus?) again, there's the possibility of theives, but this is a risk many take, but alot of these cases aere quickly trot upon, especially if you show your work everywhere and have connections...


Bottom line:
CASE SOLVED!

[DragonZero]

KoA *In Jeremy Brett Voice*: DragonZero, write this down!
Me: Aye, Holme-I mean KoA. *Grows Moustache and Begins to Write Dwon Summary of the Last Case*