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Good old Sonic Team. Remember how sweet Sonic The Hedgehog on the Xbox 360 and PS3 looked? It looked like we may finally be getting a game where you can just play as Sonic, without any annoying distractions.
Oh how they like to kick us in the nads once again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:E306_01.jpg
They just couldn't resist placing Shadow in it. Oh, and some new white hedgehog character. GROAN.
Screenshots: http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/749/749072/imgs_1.html
The graphics of the game still look stunning (Sonicin particular has never looked so ba arse before), but now they seem to be showing off more gritty levels a lot like the Shadow games, and they did state before that the early level designs we saw might just be for testing and not in the final game. So much for a BLUE SKIES sonic game. Also, the story involves Humans and some princess he has to save (GROOOAN). One good thing about this new level designing is that it could maybe be a tiny bit more like SATAM, though I doubt it.
http://www.sega.com/e3/2006/announcements_tp.php?item=pr_20060503a
In other pre-E3 news, Sega has annoced that Sonic's PSP debut will not be a port of Riders, but a new game called Sonic Rivals, of which is some sort of two-player race through levels kind of thing, which a least has colourful, old school Sonic-like scenery, but also includes that bloody Shadow character again. I swear he has become the Ken of the francise.
Oh well, at least After Burner Climax looks like it's going to be the greatest re-make ever.
GG Hendrix
06-05-06, 19:38
Bah, I'm still gonna get the game anyway, and I'm sure that at worst it will only be Average.
A) YES! FUCKING YES! I knew that one day being the odd one out and that ranting "Sonic Next Gen Will NOT be as fucking mint as it looks, there WILL be some dark elusive item of shite!" would make me victorious
B) Shit, I hate being right :(
C) I still like Shadow. BLAGRGHAGGRHGAH!
D) Things could be worse!
E) They could be fucking better.
F) There is no F.
G) On a completely unrelated note, Oi, Gaga, go read the shit I doth posted in the writers section!
H) As long as we have Sonic Rush, we do not need new Sonic games. If Sonic Heroes was anything to go by, we should have realized by now that Sonic is DOOMED.
I) HAIL BLASHYRKH!
I never understood what there is to like about Shadow. He really is just a re-colour with a crappy emo angst attitude that is tedious and uninteresting. The fact that he supposedly died in his debut game then appaered outof no where in every other title after it is annoying too.
A Sonic Rush 2 would be nice, or a next gen console game that plays like it. Maybe we'll have more luck with a Sonic title on the Wii.
GG Hendrix
06-05-06, 19:55
He isn't that emo, I've seen worse cases of angst. Granted, not many, but there are worse.
You gotta remember that personality-wise, Sonic is about as original as a bread sandwich. I like Shadow for the same reasons I like Sonic.
I like how he looks, he's fast, and he's "Proper fokken well hard, dick! (Smacks someone for 'dramatic' effect)"
The backstory and plot of Shadow are just tiny little things for you to practice skipping in between jumping into stuff and blowing it up.
So, in the defence- I like his design. And despite my usual utter loathing of red/black combo to portray "darkness" I like how he pulls it off.
In the offense- PUT THE FUCKING CAR AND THE MACHINE GUN DOWN.
As for a Sonic Rush 2, or anything simillar- I will trade all £2000 worth of my music, set fire to my DVD collection, jump on all my consoles, if it meant they'd make Sonic Rush 2.
Pinkie Pie
06-05-06, 20:26
ANOTHER Hedgehog character? And you guys thought Archie was bad for that.
Shadow would've still been cool, had he stayed dead in SA2. Or had a better explaination for appearing in the other games. (Or any explaination at all in fact.)
Oh, and the other Hedgehog?
The words WTF come instantly to mind. Wtf.
GG Hendrix
06-05-06, 20:43
Oh, and they do explain Shadow's Not-Being-Dead in STH. In the laziest "oh, by the way" as possible.
As for the new guy- Wait. He might not be that bad. Ok, dont get your hopes up or anything, but it might not be that "AURGH!" awful.
And ACE- No. NOTHING will EVER Surpass Archie's awfulness for making characters.
Next petition to have Julie Sue in a game will result in me kidneypunching someone to death.
It looks as if Gaga's touched a nerve on this one.
I don't see this as a moment where we all groan massively just because they introduce a new character (who, by the way, looks as if you can wash dishes with his quills XD), but rather as a 'meh' moment. I'll wait to see how the story pans out, and what the gameplay is like before buying. That said, I'll rent it first. There is not a Sonic game in existance which I have not played (apart from the obscure Arcade games).
GG Hendrix
07-05-06, 00:47
In The Island City of Soleanna, lives a king - with his daughter, Princess Elise. Elise is the keeper of many secrets, including a mysterious jewel known as the Chaos Emerald. The evil Dr. Eggman learns of the Chaos Emerald, and kidnaps the Princess. Once world-renowned hero, Sonic the Hedgehog learns of this, he sets off to save the Princess and the Chaos Emerald, but his quest is interrupted by a strange white hedgehog, who claims that Sonic is the "Iblis Trigger". Sonic must save the princess, stop Dr. Eggman, and figure out what this white hedgehog wants!
.....What?
Sorry, but the princess is in another games franchise.
GG Hendrix
07-05-06, 00:49
They've also made Eggman skinnier.
HERESY.
I want the music to be done properly this time.
Please, Naka-san?
They've also made Eggman skinnier.
HERESY.
Really? Dr. Eggman should NOT be on the Subway diet.
I also would have preferred Tails being the second main character in this game, not Shadow. -_- I really hope Sega knows what they're doing this time around. You'd think they would actually learn from their past mistakes and the lousy scores their games have been getting.
The Light Blue hegehog looks awesome but I bet after this game there gonna make a game about him, cause they always make games about the hegehog characters.
They've also made Eggman skinnier.
HERESY.
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait. You're telling me that Eggman, aka Robotnik the guy who is meant to be grossly obese has lost weight? I'm not sure wether to say good for him or be very angry.
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait. You're telling me that Eggman, aka Robotnik the guy who is meant to be grossly obese has lost weight? I'm not sure wether to say good for him or be very angry.
Unless they change his official name back to Robotnik, i'll never be happy with him. :g-hmph:
"More human ideals"?
Wtf.. Sonic didn't have humans in the beginning, and they still want to head towards Earth storywise? WHY? What's next, Sonic's suddenly Human-Rough-and-Tumble-Mad-Max Human with blue hair?
This Princess? Human, garantied, I wouldn't normally mind, but the fact is, having humans alongside Sonic was never a good idea in the first place.
Bah, ST are idiots.
Blue_Impulse
07-05-06, 03:39
So uh, WHEN THE FUCK ARE THEY GONNA' STOP MAKING NEW CHARACTERS!?
Masterpiece
07-05-06, 04:16
Sonic has been in the toliet ever since they released Sonic Heroes. Of course the GBA and DS game are good and that's it. Shadow had great music but it's camera and controls were God awful.
Pinkie Pie
07-05-06, 04:17
Sonic has been in the toliet ever since they released Sonic Heroes. Of course the GBA and DS game are good and that's it. Shadow had great music but it's camera and controls were God awful.
Agreed.
In Sonic Adventure, you didn't mind the bugs and bad camera.
You didn't mind in SA2 either.
But you'd of thought they'd ironed them out by Heroes, and ESPECIALLY by Shadow.
To repeat what ive said before: Sonic Team are idiots.
Please try to keep on-topic, you guys, and keep all the banning/swearing/warning talk to the forum sections that are about the forums?
sovietcommando
07-05-06, 13:02
More characters? How many "new" characters have they made already?
I know. They've created so many new characters in the past few years that i've lost count. Aside from Sonic and Tails, Amy is the only other character I really like.
What Sonic Team ought to do is try to make an entire game that focuses on one character. But alas, it seems that nowadays, that's too "difficult" for them to do. Thank goodness for people who keep the classic Sonic alive by creating fangames.
T3h_Waffleman
07-05-06, 18:45
I dunno. Shadow is kinda cool, but that's just cuz I like black and red. And the idea for Shadow the Hedgehog seemed inherently racist. Just cuz his fur is black, means he gotta shoot guns and jack cars?! And this new hedgehog is nuthin but a cracker. We'll see him dancing to electric guitar in no time.
BlueSonnet
07-05-06, 19:17
You know maybe i'm not particularly a fan of sonic recolours (especially when i caught a bunch of them the other day on DA creating a club about two other recolours and their cybersex relationship. They can burn in hell the lot of them), as far as i'm concerned i still think the gameplay should come first. If they can do that well then all can be forgiven.
Mind you i haven't played any sonic game beyond Sonic R.
I seriously do NOT care for the story or characters, as long as the game is good. Really.
...It better be good.
GrooveMan.exe
07-05-06, 21:20
Hmmm... More Shadow, eh? I won't complain, but that means that the gameplay is going to be a bit linear.
We have a choice between:
A decent character who can run fast
A decent, but now tired character who can run fast and sulk
An unkown character who looks like Amy and GeminiMan's lovechild, and can undoubtebly run fast.
I demand a character that can fly, or break stuff.
I DEMAND A KNUCKLES AND ROUGE GAME!
NUOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Why SEGA? Why must you add another character to your already bloated roster? Why must you destroy your own mascot? Why must you make crappy storys to tie the crappy levels and the crappy crap crap that are current console Sonic games?!!??!
I bet you all that there is some sort of plot behind all this, think about it, 3 hedgehogs, they look similar so... Sega: They R brotharz!
Sega and Sonic Team;
YOU
ARE
ALL
MORONS
Saiyan Kirby
10-05-06, 23:11
I don't get why everyone is going all manic over a new character. He looks cool to me. And IMO, I LOVED Shadow The Hedgehog. I never got past one of the third levels cause I found another game to play, but other then that, I love pretty much any Sonic, Zelda or Megaman game.
http://uk.media.xbox360.ign.com/media/749/749072/vids_1.html
There, go watch the gameplay videos, for once in a long time, this game looks fast, faster than heroes, faster than Shadow, probably faster than Sonic Adventure.
In response to the hating the humans in Sonic world's arguement. If you complain about there being humans in Sonic's world and they wont there from the beginning except Robotnik then you might as well complain about Sonic and Tails etc being the only 3 ft tall animals in the Sonic games and 3 ft tall animals not being in the Sonic world from the beginning except Sonic right?
Anyway I dont mind Shadow or this new hedgehog that much as long as they dont mess up the gameplay or steal Sonic's spotlight. I mean, the white hedgehog can use phychic powers, nither Sonic nor Shadow can do that, so I'm guessing each of the three will have their own abilities right? and don't wrtie him of so early just because his another new character!
And the Princess Elise isn't that bad, after all I did like Sora in the movie after all! please I'll ask everyone not to form a negative look on this game before its done. I mean I think your all taking this slighly out of proportion.....
Oh and for the record I like the new hedgehog and Princess Elise too *runs*
The main problem with the human characters tis time arouind is they just look too realistic and make Sonic look like his out of place in his own game.
GG Hendrix
12-05-06, 12:24
Well, Sega have said the entire point of this game is to answer the question "What if Sonic was real?"
[Surely he'd be dead, with all the exploding robots and TV's he jumps on?!]
I'm reserving judgement for this game until it actually comes out, because at the momen't I'm seeing too much a mixture of "That looks/sounds mint" and "Oh HAAAAYYYLLLL no!"
Hyper Sonic, for the Wii looks fun :D
GG Hendrix
12-05-06, 12:28
More characters? How many "new" characters have they made already?
One nearly every single game.
Sonic 2- Tails
Sonic 3 And Knuckles [The same game, look into it]- Knuckles
Sonic CD- Amy
Chaotix- Not a Sonic game, I know, but it gave us those guys
Can't remember- Nack
Sonic Arcade- Ray
Sonic Fighters- Bark/Bean
Sonic Advance- Cream
Sonic Fighters- Emerl
Sonic Heroes- The (at least fiftieth :p) reincarnation of Metal Sonic, and Omega
Sonic Rush- Blaze
Sonic Adventure- Big
Sonic Adventure 2- Shadow, Rouge
Shadow The Hedgehog- Black "NEXT TIME GADGET!" Doom
Sonic The Hedgehog 2006- Silver The hedgehog
I'd love to see Sega use some of their older characters they have left behind such as Ray and Mighy, and Nack. Maybe if there gonna do any more spin-off,s bring back some of the badniks like how the Mario games use old bad guys.
GG Hendrix
12-05-06, 12:56
Yeah, the closest we ever got was the 3D Green Hill zone (or was it Emerald?) on Sonic Adventure 2.
All that did is make me go
"I spent 4 months trying to get all the emblems for THIS shit?!"
How to make a perfect Sonic game that would fully utilise all the characters in their best possible way- Make Nigel Kitching and Richard Elson the supreme generals of Sega :p
I don't really see how they make him look out of place really.....maybe its just me.
Anyway from what I see, I think Sonic's gameplay will be focused on speed, Silver (the white hedgehog) based on telekenitic powers that require problem solving and Shadow might just be driving around in cars blowing stuff up randomly.
EDIT: Oh great, I just started hearing rumours that Silver is from the future.........as long as his not related to Sonic......of course these are rumours.
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2146
New gameplay video, watch it in HD and marvel at the PS3-y goodness, Sonic is back to speed it seems.
Beware though, the guy playing it is quite rubbish at it. :g-laugh:
GrooveMan.exe
13-05-06, 11:27
Hendrix forgot Blaze in Sonic Rush.
GG Hendrix
13-05-06, 13:06
No I didn't.
http://www.gccafe.com/e3/2006/wii/sonicwf_e32006.wmv
The full level of Sonic Wild Fire (The Wii title) that was playable at E3.
Looks a lot more fun than the PS3/360 game, so far.
GG Hendrix
13-05-06, 13:47
It's had it's name changed to Hyper Sonic, and yeah, it looks ace.
http://www.gccafe.com/e3/2006/wii/sonicwf_e32006.wmv
The full level of Sonic Wild Fire (The Wii title) that was playable at E3.
Looks a lot more fun than the PS3/360 game, so far.
Did you even watch the gameplay videos? The next gen Sonic is looking very good IMO.
http://www.gccafe.com/e3/2006/wii/sonicwf_e32006.wmv
The full level of Sonic Wild Fire (The Wii title) that was playable at E3.
Looks a lot more fun than the PS3/360 game, so far.
Somehow, steering Sonic left and right isn't fun to me, if I wanted to do that, I'd just drive a car XD
http://www.sega.com/games/game_temp.php?game=sonicnext
Check out the movie! Sonic goes into a jungle like area too, and it does show the use of multiple path too (thought some graphics come out of no where) this game is shaping up nicely, but I'd like to see Shadow's gameplay a bit too, they say he rides military cars and so on......hope they add a helicopter.
EDIT: Oh but I do feel that those tight ropes are going to cause a few cheap deaths mind you!
GG Hendrix
13-05-06, 14:06
Somehow, steering Sonic left and right isn't fun to me, if I wanted to do that, I'd just drive a car XD
Oh HELL, i thought it looked too "Wait, he's just running, and you move him left and right?"
Es is stupido!
It DOES look fast as hell and pretty though, but will it be fun?
http://www.sega.com/e3/2006/announcements_tp.php?item=pr_20060509a
Yeah its all here. Its an original way of controling Sonic, and it seems that this is a Sonic only game but......its like controlling a car.....
Gamers will use the Wii controller to steer Sonic and experience an untapped freedom in gameplay and control. Hold the controller horizontally with two hands and tilt left and right to steer Sonic on different paths and maneuver deftly from obstacles and enemies. Continue to tilt and fling forward to dash-attack ground and air enemies and to break down barriers. In addition to the main game is an array of unique controller-focused mini-games which make Sonic Wild Fire fun to play alone or as a multiplayer game with friends. Get ready for a refreshing adventure that puts you on the forefront of gaming!
The mini games sounds fun though
GG Hendrix
13-05-06, 14:21
"Gamers will use the Wii controller to steer Sonic and experience an untapped freedom in gameplay and control."
Anyone else see the hilarity in that statement?
"Gamers will use the Wii controller to steer Sonic and experience an untapped freedom in gameplay and control."
Anyone else see the hilarity in that statement?
Y0u S/\1I) "WEE" LOL!!! *kicked*
Yes I'll never try internet talk again, but yeah, the wii Sonic game has kinda diminished my hopes a little, of course maybe I'll give it ago.
BlueSonnet
13-05-06, 15:11
"Gamers will use the Wii controller to steer Sonic and experience an untapped freedom in gameplay and control."
Very Phallic. Like Mario Sunshine.
GG Hendrix
13-05-06, 16:01
Nope. You both missed it.
If he's constantly moving fowards, unable to stop, but only able to go faster and head left or right while moving forwards, saying we have total freedom in controlling his movement is bullshit.
However, the game DOES look fun. However- Will it still be fun once you've done it for a few levels?
PLUS- it's for the Wii, and so far I've only seen GOLD for it.
Yes, I did watch the Sonic Next clips, and it looked like it played more or less just like the SA games, which people may be able to accept, but it's hardly anything new. Stripping the design down to it's bare essentrails may prove to be the saving grace of the Sonic 3D titles. I could be wrong about this, but many of the press that have played it at E3 seem to agree that 'Hyper Sonic' plays well, as with this simiplicity is should hopefully obmit all hose flaws previous 3D sonic titles have suffered.
Yes, I did watch the Sonic Next clips, and it looked like it played more or less just like the SA games, which people may be able to accept, but it's hardly anything new.
But that's exactly how a Sonic game should be played shouldn't it? I mean the only difference between the gameplay aspects in Sonic 1, 2 and Knuckles was that each level had different parts of the level to interact with like the mushrooms in mushroom hill or the casion oriented levels with bumpers and what not. Of course I see that this is not being used in the next gen so far.
No. The 3D sonic games have never, and probably never will be as good gameplay wise as the 2D ones. Unlike Mario, Sonic hasn't transferred to 3D quite as well as he could have, and improvements haven't been made in seven years.
The 3D ones are flawed, the camera being the biggest problem, and all those speed boosters and springs pretty much play the game for you in SA2. The concept of exploration is almost lost and they over complicated the moves. The SA games were good at the time, but we should be expecting more (or less, as the Wii title suggests) from them by now.
GG Hendrix
13-05-06, 17:16
They're never gonna top Sonic Rush anyway :)
I'm considering buying another one to wear around my neck.
Gagz- Check yo PM, mofo!
No. The 3D sonic games have never, and probably never will be as good gameplay wise as the 2D ones. Unlike Mario, Sonic hasn't transferred to 3D quite as well as he could have, and improvements haven't been made in seven years.
The 3D ones are flawed, the camera being the biggest problem, and all those speed boosters and springs pretty much play the game for you in SA2. The concept of exploration is almost lost and they over complicated the moves. The SA games were good at the time, but we should be expecting more (or less, as the Wii title suggests) from them by now.
Gameplay as good as the original, well that's a matter of opinion isn't it? I considered Sonic's gameplay in adventure on par on some of his retro games, but that is my opinion and heck I even loved the gameplay in the demo of Sonic adventure 2.
And speed boosters and springs have been used in the 2D games, like in Chemical plant zone or the slopes find in Hydro city zone did force the player too right? unless you were Tails there was no way you could go back. Well I do suppose this is a matter of opinion, I believe this game would be one of the best, just like how I consider Sonic adventure one of the best Sonic game.
I suppose SEGA did listen to all those fans who said they wanted Sonic adventure 3 so badly......
I'm surprised they haven't just called it Sonic Adventure 3 anyway. Surely a name like "Sonic Hedgehog" suggests it's at least a solo game or something. SA3 would make a lot more sense now, as it really isn't the re-invention they clamed now is it?
GG Hendrix
13-05-06, 19:21
I also like the "Fifteen Years in The Making!" tagline it has on the official site.
LIES AND TRICKERY.
More like 15 months tops.
GG Hendrix
13-05-06, 21:19
Lies!
GG Hendrix
13-05-06, 22:05
DECEIT!
HOW DAREST THOU DEFEND THESE HERETICS!
HANGETH THINE HEADETH!111111111
CAPITAL LETTERESTS!
And so on.
The game is rushed, the game is in essential SA3, but holy hell, some of the gameplay videos make me remember what we signed up for. Ludicrous speed [not to be confused with Spaceballs] and jumping on robots. It looks the bees knees.
How it is, we shall see.
Hmmmmm you know what I just pondered to myself? how many people have actully played and completed the full version of Sonic adventure 1 and 2, all gamecubeand dreamcast owners undoubtly, maybe SEGA thinks they can make a quick buck out of xbox and playstation users by just adding same gameplay engine + havoc engine and pretty graphics.....
Hmmmmmmmmm though it would have been nice if we had a level like they showed us pre E3, you know the one we see him jumping off and see a vast land of green and what not? yeah to rip through all that would be heaven.......
EDIT:An extended version of the trailer shown at E3 is shown here
http://sonic.sega.jp/sonic/
Princess Elise.....is Tikal......it is isn't it? oh and that big red lava monster is fought by Silver in Crisis City, so I'm guessing his not Iblis then?
Right sorry for doubleposting but I do have my reasons! really I do!
http://rapidshare.de/files/20272789/E3_sonic_bb.wmv.html this was the trailer avalible at SEGA japanese Sonic site or Sonic Channel, in case anyone was getting problems streaming it from the main site.
http://www.discoponies.co.uk/stuff4sonikdude750/
And does any have a bad feeling about this......(the sub plot at least)
Arctic Fox
15-05-06, 02:32
About this new sonic.. ((this may be a off topic. sorry about that)) All I have really heard about this new game is that the new hedge hog is called silver and he supposedly can't spin dash. could any one give me more information on this game. ((also off topic. Sonic 2 was the best of them all hands down))
Right sure Arctic Fox, just copy and paste from SEGA's website and....
Story - "The game is set in Soleanna, the beautiful city of water. In his first adventure set in the human world, Sonic meets a beautiful princess named Elise, whom he quickly befriends, but Princess Elise is abducted by none other than the calculating Dr. Eggman who is working under dark and sinister motives,to destroy this special kingdom of hers. In order to restore safety and serenity, Sonic must maneuver his way through a series of adventures and challenges where he will encounter and interact with a bevy of allies and enemies, and ultimately go head to head against the menacing doctor to thwart his malicious plans. Along the way, Sonic encounters a mysterious character named Silver. Blocking him with unique supernatural powers, even the Blue dude with 'tude will find it difficult to out-maneuver the enigmatic Silver! As Sonic speeds through the huge kingdom, the mysteries unravel"
Oh and Silver refers to Sonic as the Iblis trigger (Iblis is the name of the devil in Islam before he fell from heaven (of course I doubt its actully the devil and just some evil monster instead)) and so guessing Sonic's going to bring about the end of the world. and how does Silver know this? well his from the future!
Gameplay - Sonic's gameplay plays much like the adventure series, grind, homing attack here, spring etc all the usual. Shadow drives around in military cars and such just blowing stuff up and Silver (having the more original gameplay) uses his telekenetic powers to pick up objects and destroy his surrounding/enemies with. So far Sonic, Silver and Shadow are the known playable characters (and SSS?)
Features - So far multiplayer has been told about and even a CoOp mode too. Adventure fields return and you can customize Sonic's skills in here with the rings you've collected and side missions too.
Hope that helps to fill you in.
Arctic Fox
15-05-06, 04:04
Thanks Aki. I still look forward to the game even if it's not as good as some of the rest. should be intresting.
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